Thanks! Great video. Really improved my knowledge of that joseki. I’m still a bit uncomfortable with it though, as if white defends once more in the corner and black attacks the single external white stone, that stone still can be troublesome. It seems better for white to me. What is the thinking of professionals in the justification of this sequence?
Do you mean if w doesn’t play D10 but defend the corner instead? I think b can’t expect to be better than this result. What troublesome will you have? If w escapes, you just attack it. B chose this joseki, the fight should be good for b. Otherwise, why chose this joseki? For instance, b can play d17 instead of c16, that would be another joseki.
In my opinion, you take the star point, then the opponent kakari, locally, no other joseki could be better than respond with a keima. But you can’t justify a joseki just by a local. That’s why other joseki exist. In this case, b chose this joseki must has his own reason, for instance, b has stones on the left side or on the lower-left corner.
There’s a joseki similar with this one. Black d16, f17, h17, c17, c16, d17, e16, f18, f16. Locally, it’s even worse than the result you asked. But if b has a stone at d10, this joseki would be not bad for b.
Amesome video!! Very helpfull to me (6 kyu)
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Why is black not concerned with the cut on line 8 from the left?
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Tubruk Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 8:11 am
wH19 bG19 (atari) wG18 (atari) bJ19 (capture) wF19 (atari) bH19 (connect)..ans: because there is no white stones on the left
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Tubruk Reply:
July 18th, 2011 at 8:13 am
well…white can make a colony on the left ..but i guess we are just interested with the groups presented, not the whole board.
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Thanks! Great video. Really improved my knowledge of that joseki. I’m still a bit uncomfortable with it though, as if white defends once more in the corner and black attacks the single external white stone, that stone still can be troublesome. It seems better for white to me. What is the thinking of professionals in the justification of this sequence?
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countsheep Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:13 am
Do you mean if w doesn’t play D10 but defend the corner instead? I think b can’t expect to be better than this result. What troublesome will you have? If w escapes, you just attack it. B chose this joseki, the fight should be good for b. Otherwise, why chose this joseki? For instance, b can play d17 instead of c16, that would be another joseki.
In my opinion, you take the star point, then the opponent kakari, locally, no other joseki could be better than respond with a keima. But you can’t justify a joseki just by a local. That’s why other joseki exist. In this case, b chose this joseki must has his own reason, for instance, b has stones on the left side or on the lower-left corner.
There’s a joseki similar with this one. Black d16, f17, h17, c17, c16, d17, e16, f18, f16. Locally, it’s even worse than the result you asked. But if b has a stone at d10, this joseki would be not bad for b.
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